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representatives from the defense department, the joint chiefs of staff, national counterterrorism center and the fbi. all players in the room. a democratic aide tells cnn that seven out of nine democratic committee members attended the meeting and just three out of eight republicans showed up. so where was john mccain while his fellow committee members were being given details on benghazi? he was holding a press conference. complaining about the lack of details on benghazi. mccain's office says the senator missed the briefing due to a scheduling error. today, mccain was asked about his absence and the senator got a little testy. he says "i have no comment about my schedule and i'm not going to comment on how i spend my time to the media." hmm. and it got more contentious from there. >> i have no further comment. i have no further comment. how many times do i -- because i have the right as a senator, i have no comment. who the hell are you to tell me? >> joining me now is richard wolffe, msnbc political analyst, and vice president and executive editor of msnbc.com. he seems like he's on a mission jus
representatives from the defense department, the joint chiefs of staff, national counterterrorism center and the fbi. all players in the room. a democratic aide tells cnn that seven out of nine democratic committee members attended the meeting and just three out of eight republicans showed up. so where was john mccain while his fellow committee members were being given details on benghazi? he was holding a press conference. complaining about the lack of details on benghazi. mccain's office says...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s. intelligence efforts the most positive thing you could say. morell is a career guy. he's trusted by the white house. he was trusted by petraeus, and so you have a smoother transition than you sometimes do in these situations. >> let me get back to richard engel about this. you know, you know these guys. you know as a military guy covering our fights overseas, the combat operations in iraq especially, this man was almost at the general mcarthur level just a few years ago. people were talking about him being the republican candidate for the presidency in the current election cycle. t
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s....
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's, from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s. intelligence efforts, the most positive thing you could say. morell is a career guy. he's trusted by the white house. he was trusted by petraeus, and so you have a smoother transition than you sometimes do in these situations. >> let me get back to richard engel about this. you know, you know these guys. you know as a military guy covering our fights overseas, the combat operations in iraq especially, this man was almost at the general mcarthur level just a few years ago. people were talking about him being the republican candidate for the presidency in the current election cycle.
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer and somebody who has been close to him. to speak for a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morell, who is a career agency analyst. michael morell has stepped in as acting director again. i think that's, from the standpoint of the cia and the stability of u.s....
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what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're investigating. now, there's a policy question here, obviously, about whether members of the intelligence committee should have been informed. they say there's a potential national security implications. the fbi and the justice department say they determined early on there weren't national security implications, that this was, at its core, not a crime, an affair. and the other thing about this is, that the fbi is sensitive to its own history, about a time when j. edgar hoover shepherded the peccadillos of official washington and parceled these th
what is the fbi saying about this? >> well, i think they freely admit that there are no hard and fast rules for when you notify anybody else in the government that a senior intelligence official is having an affair. the general rule, and what their basic policy is, they don't tell anybody. when they're in the middle of a criminal investigation, who they're investigating. whether it's, you know, somebody in the white house or anybody. they just don't blab around town who they're...
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so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over some democrats. senator patti murray joins me next. on that and how she defied the odds and ended up adding more democrats to the senate. is it one or two? we'll find out in a minute. independents day, the question we all think we know the answer to but maine's senator elect will announce which party he's planning to caucus with. >>> first a look ahead at the schedule of the president. a press conference at 1:30 and then he meets with the ceos after the press conference. you're watching "the daily rundown." the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually us
so it does raise the question why didn't the fbi -- why did the fbi do the briefing then, only on election day, if the investigation on classified information was still open. >> right. it flies in the face of the reason they supposedly finally did let clapper know. anyway, mike isikoff, thanks very much. >>> up next, if democrats don't get the deal they want, will they let the country go over the fiscal cliff? that's the big question that hangs out there over the president over...
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>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious bureaucrat takes down the head of the cia. >> the head of the cia doesn't know what every celebrity has been known for many years. >> outrage he's not bitter -- >> e-mail is not prior to. and it hasn't been for so many years. i mean what we send out there on the internet is virtually public domain. >> hank paulson before congress during sort of post-t.a.r.p. hearings and asked about his e-mail and he said i don't use e-mail. like that is not how i roll. you see the reason. >> i don't know that hank paulson. >> they dictate it to a secretary which t
>>ing from -- snooping from the fbi. jay edgar hoover ran the country for decades because he was in everyone's business and could blackmail any other competitor in government. you know, in retrospect was kind of a constitutional crisis for the country we resolved would never happen again. what we saw here the professionalization of the fbi is such that didn't happen here, right? eric holder isn't like, we think, gathering up this foin and using it. >> the opposite. unambitious...
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he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the resignation. he was set to testify about benghazi. here is ralph peters, an analyst for fox news. this is what i'm talking about, this emerging conspiracy theory, and here it is coming from fox. let's watch. >> as an old intelligence analyst, the way i read it, and i could be totally wrong, this is my interpretation is that the administration was unhappy with petraeus not playing ball 100% on their party line story. i think he was getting cold feet about testifying under oath and their party line story, and i suspect these tough chicago guys knew of this
he knows that the fbi knows about this. but he doesn't decide to go and tell the white house and offer to resign until clapper tells him to do so. >> more information. thank you so much, pete, for that reporting. more on the politics of the petraeus scandal, if you will. eugene robinson is an associate editor and columnist for "the washington post." also an msnbc political analyst. gene, this sense here -- let me show you something. some are howling about the timing of the...
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[laughter] cia director resigns after the fbi uncovers e-mails showing that general david petraeus had an extramarital affair with his biographer, paula broadwell, a married mother of two. talk about unlimited access. the general was up on capitol hill talking about the benghazi hearings as we were recording this program, so we don't know what he said yet. >> we are safer because of the work that gave petraeus has main hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on and this ends up being a single side note on what has otherwise been an extraordinary career. >> extraordinary career. david petraeus is a highly decorated four-star army general with a ph.d. from princeton university. roger, you have been around for awhile. how does a smart guy like that get into a mess like this? >> i think you said it, let's get to the sex. he is america's spymaster, aside from all the other degrees and all that. he is running the cia. but he decides to conduct an affair through a gmail account, because, gosh, nobody can get access to that except maybe any 12-year-old in america. and his par
[laughter] cia director resigns after the fbi uncovers e-mails showing that general david petraeus had an extramarital affair with his biographer, paula broadwell, a married mother of two. talk about unlimited access. the general was up on capitol hill talking about the benghazi hearings as we were recording this program, so we don't know what he said yet. >> we are safer because of the work that gave petraeus has main hope right now is that he and his family are able to move on and this...
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does this lead to any reassess reassessment of how the fbi fbi-c.i.a. interact and who should be told about things that are not security related? >> it should three to that. we ought to have an investigation of how this got out, how this became public in the first place. as the lieutenant commander said, there were no underlying crimes. as you said, no underlying crimes by either of the parties. very bad judgment but no underlying crimes. and there is no reason why we should know about this in the first place and petraeus shouldn't still be in his position. >> eliot: there is going to be an investigation into the investigation and the investigation of the media that didn't know and why they didn't know. only in washington. can't government do something right. >> we do. you're going to be talking about it with bob reich, and i'm sure he'll set us straight. >> eliot: he will set us street. michael tomasky assails as always, it's great to have you here on the program. >> thanks. >> eliot: finally did we change the republicans attitude. robert reich coming
does this lead to any reassess reassessment of how the fbi fbi-c.i.a. interact and who should be told about things that are not security related? >> it should three to that. we ought to have an investigation of how this got out, how this became public in the first place. as the lieutenant commander said, there were no underlying crimes. as you said, no underlying crimes by either of the parties. very bad judgment but no underlying crimes. and there is no reason why we should know about...
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but that's what it is. >> let's talk about the fbi. by law they are supposed to inform your committee about any development of significance to this committee. that barely passed this fresh hold. is it true you have received no advance word of this and are you going to investigate the fbi's decision not to tell you an investigation had been going on for at least weeks? >> the answer is yes and yes. we seed no advance notice. it was like a lightening bolt. the way i found out i came back to washington thursday night. the staff director told me to call from press about this. i called david petraeus. as a matter of fact, i had had an appointment with him at 3:00 that afternoon. that was canceled and so then when these questions came up i obviously took action myself to try to find out and then informed my vice-chairman and i talked to the director twice. this is very hard stuff. >> are you going to investigate why the fbi didn't notify you before? >> yes, absolutely. this is something that could have had an effect on national security. i t
but that's what it is. >> let's talk about the fbi. by law they are supposed to inform your committee about any development of significance to this committee. that barely passed this fresh hold. is it true you have received no advance word of this and are you going to investigate the fbi's decision not to tell you an investigation had been going on for at least weeks? >> the answer is yes and yes. we seed no advance notice. it was like a lightening bolt. the way i found out i came...
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meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me nbc's correspondent kelly o'donnell. and brad gilman, editor-at-large for "time" magazine. he wrote the cover story entitled "the petraeus affair." there's a whole lot of hearings on benghazi which, of course, all will sort of bleed into the petraeus affair. give us the lineup today and what you expect to hear? >> you're right, chuck. there is so much overlap, what we've heard from someone planning the committee meeting, intel, for both the house and senate side, they wanted to separate those matters of personal and security concerns to the issue that brought it to t
meanwhile, the fbi is still trying to wrap up the petraeus incident. they're looking through potential evidence taken from paul lal broadwell's home during a consensual search earlier this week. now, amid allegations that she mishandled classified information, the army has yanked broadwell's security clearance. and on cnnhead line news, broadwell hasn't made any public comments, even in print. meanwhile, petraeus will make it back on capitol hill to testify tomorrow on benghazi. joining me...
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that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on well before the election. have you the election going on. you have republicans -- some of whom wanted to make more political issue out of benghazi and then you had this -- potentially explosive development going on. why did we find out about it immediately after the election? want before? >> greta: how about senator dianne feinstein, in theic chair of the senate select committee on intel in she said that the president shouldn't have accepted the resignation. >> yeah, look, i think that's crazy. first of all, the message it would send, if people knew what he wa
that's the concern here from the fbi's standpoint. the new york times reporting that the house and senate intel committees didn't know about it until this week, though they should be briefed on this type of thing. it's a major problem. also, i mean, he has a detail, he's the cia chief. if he was messing around, didn't the detail know about it? >> greta: unless it predated his timive that's tru. we tonight know. >> what is the role of the timing here? obviously, this was going on...
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david, and richard, that's "hardball" for now. coming up next, "your business" with j.j. ramberg. since my first twenty-ninth birthday. [ female announcer ] head & shoulders. live flake free. campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morale who is a career agency analyst, michael morel has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the...
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i wish them the best at this difficult time. >> as for the fbi investigation, in the end fbi agents did not find evidence of criminal activity. >> thank you very much. general petraeus was one of the first to brief law makers followinglet u.s. mission in libya. katherine herage has the latest. >> in the white house, jay carny pushed back on allegations that the administration was not forth coming on the benghazi attack. specifically what happened at 5:00 in the white whoit. >> the president was made aware of the developments throughout the evening and days ensuing and i am not what your question is specifically. >> they are not independent investigation. carny pointed to the review and public time line that laid out military response and a similar briefing by intelligence officials emergency response. >> next week they are scheduled with state department patrick kennedy who is charged with overseeing staff. and eric bonswell who is charged with security in benghazi. and while they emphasizes what was known in benghazi. all will be close except one. that was congress' call. >> my underst
i wish them the best at this difficult time. >> as for the fbi investigation, in the end fbi agents did not find evidence of criminal activity. >> thank you very much. general petraeus was one of the first to brief law makers followinglet u.s. mission in libya. katherine herage has the latest. >> in the white house, jay carny pushed back on allegations that the administration was not forth coming on the benghazi attack. specifically what happened at 5:00 in the white whoit....
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had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody and they don't know who. and references to attacks versus demonstrations were removed by somebody. >> let me ask you a question. will your committee, call on excuse son rice to ask her to testify? >> i don't know the answer to that right now. we will talk about that. we have two more hearings scheduled. >> do you think she will be called? >> she's going to have to come in and of it at some point. whether it's in a closed hearing or open hearing. we will have an open hearing too but at some point she needs to come in and say what the president or the white house directed her to say. >> senator leiberm
had every leader of the intelligence community there, including folks from the state department, the fbi, everybody there was asked do you know who made these changes? and nobody knew. the only entity that reviewed the talking points that was not there was the white house. so that -- you know, i don't know whether -- what they said yesterday is exactly right or not, but what i do know is that every member of the intelligence community said that references to al-qaeda were removed by somebody...
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secondly the moment that the fbi and the fbi director found out or realized general petraeus was within the scope of the investigation, should have gone to the attorney general which apparently they did. but at the earlier they should are v done that and president should have been advised. otherwise to me the president was poorly served unless there is a mindset in the administration that, you know, they just make believe reality isn't there until after the election. we really believe this was a four-month investigation involving the recollector of the sigh eye and did not come to fruition until election night. >> that's the hard part. >> that was absolutely impossible to believe. >> i agree. it is just not a credible position. but chairman, before i lose you, look, petraeus, great american. great man. but he made a great mistake, peter. he made a great mistake. and i think guys like that have to have honor and have to have personal morality. they have to set an example. i mean, that's also part of this story, is it not. >> it is. and i -- again, i urged general petraeus to run for pres
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>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and the establishment of the u.s. intelligence office the most positive thing you could say. >> thank you, david corn and thank you, dee dee myers. >>> coming up, buy romney lost i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! email marketing from constant contact reaches people in a place they're checking every day -- their inbox. and it
>> well, i think richard mentioned the fbi investigation of paula broadwell. paula broadwell is general petraeus' biographer, and somebody who has been close to him. in literary circles. to speak a moment about the cia, general petraeus when he came to the cia about 15 months ago appointed as his deputy the then acting director michael morrell who is a career agency analyst, michael morrell has now stepped in as acting director again. i think that is, from the standpoint of the cia and...
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the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your wife you have a girlfriend. at some pointo have to grow up. half our presidents would have had to resign over this. >> greta: let me play devil's advocate, if he is vulnerable enough to want to hide something, the reason why you tell all in these investigations, when you get the job, you want to disclose them is so that you don't become material for blackmail. >> right. >> greta: there is also the added problem, that as a man of his great stature tdoes send a message to others in the military about -- about honor, trust and di
the fbi is also investigating. general petraeus to me -- i feel heartbroken about this -- is and always will be a truly exception american hero. he is like eisenhower. eisenhower had an affair also and he didn't resign. the idea that david petraeus can be blackmailed because he has a woman friend is totally ridiculous. this man -- this man has put his life at risk for his country over and over again. somebody's going to come to him and say, you better give us secrets or i'm going to tell your...
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>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things i've tried to do, chris, is bring both sides together. so, my vice chairman saxby chambliss and i share material and work together and that is a very important concept. with neither of us knowing ahead of time, all of this, obviously, comes as a big shock. and we are very much able to keep things in a classified setting, at least if you know you can begin to think and then to plan and, of course we have not had that opportunity. we begin our hearings on thursday. this is an inquiry, it's not a single hearing. there will be many different aspects of it. and, you know, o
>> well, it is and fbi investigation, that is continuing. i read both the "post" and the times this morning and it is pretty well laid out, i think. i hate to discuss it, except to say there are a number of things that one has to consider, the first of which was there any kind of national security breach. to date, there was not. and, the fbi has briefed me, now, i actually wish we had been briefed a little bit earlier. so that the full intelligence committee, one of the things...
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he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi agent -- we're calling this person a whistleblower, is that a fair description? >> i'm not quite sure i'm convinced i know what to describe this person as. i've listened to previous reports on msnbc. there are all sorts of rumors swirling around. i'm just not sure if that's the case or not. but i think there is a fair case to be made and has been by senator feinstein that she should have been given a heads up earlier than she was. no doubt about it. she has an amazing ability to keep things secret. >> fair enough. i want to go to fiscal cliff. i think there are two questi
he had a contact in the fbi who raised this concern to him. he passed it along to the chief of staff of eric cantor's office who then was put in touch with the fbi. knowing how things work in cantor's office, it -- they run by the letter of the law to a "t," so i'm sure everything was done with heavy legal counsel and guidance. >> something like this, jim, you know the way the senate intelligence committee folks work particularly on both sides of this. finding out that an fbi...
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the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the reason he's being removed from office, as a single side note. i mean, bill clinton went through -- >> yeah, yeah. >> this guy get a single side note. >> just a pesky asterisk. but, you know, politicians and presidents for years in washington have been using david petraeus as cover. if you can get underneath -- >> republicans said that name over and over. >> wrap yourself in the petraeus flag and you got immunity from almost anything. >> what is president obama worried about petraeus? >> i think it's -- i think he's being gracious now. i think maybe buyer's
the fbi found out it was broadwell sending those e-mails. according to the washington post, the e-mail described kelley as a seductress. for more on where things stand we're joined by chief white house correspondent -- mike isikoff, and of course we've got david corn, who's on the show now from mother jones. let me talk about this, first of all. i think it was interesting of the president to give almost a complete snow white description of this guy. he referred to the affair, which is the...